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Post by dans on May 2, 2019 0:40:31 GMT
He was an android with powers similar to Timber Wolf. He was arrested in the story in which Timber Wolf first appeared, but he wasn't necessarily evil - just misguided and wanting to pretend to be human...
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Post by johnreiter902 on May 2, 2019 21:01:18 GMT
He might be a possible recruit for the Legion of Super-Villains, if he was reprogrammed by them, or if he felt the Legion had betrayed him. On the other hand, I like to imagine the Legion treated him well, considering that despite the extreme cruelty of his actions and how he abused Timber Wolf by erasing his memory and treating him like a thing instead of a person, he was desperate. Maybe they could send him to Grenda or Roxxas, where androids and robots are considered normal people.
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Post by redsycorax on May 3, 2019 1:54:01 GMT
One does wonder how the Legion can get away with banning inorganic lifeforms from membership. Surely Terran sentients rights legislation would have recognised the civil liberties and economic, social and political rights of artificial intelligences, androids and robots beforehand? Wouldn't machine-dominated worlds like Grenda raise some objection to that potentially discriminatory exclusion?
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Post by dans on May 3, 2019 9:54:48 GMT
different sensibilities now than then. Perhaps one of those devastating wars that wiped out most of the records was stared by an artificial species. Of Course, the idea that the future had lost so many records of the past that they barely remembered Superman is ridiculous, given the Time Institute...
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Post by johnreiter902 on May 3, 2019 10:27:27 GMT
different sensibilities now than then. Perhaps one of those devastating wars that wiped out most of the records was stared by an artificial species. Of Course, the idea that the future had lost so many records of the past that they barely remembered Superman is ridiculous, given the Time Institute... Yes, but the time institute is clearly a recent establishment, since it was Brainiac 5 who rediscovered time-travel. And most of the adventures that describe the lost knowledge feature the use of time travel to fill in gaps in the historic record.
Although the sentience of androids and their need to be treated as people is becoming more normal in the 20th century of Earth-1, that is 1000 years before the Legions time. Any number of events in between might have restored the prejudice against robots being people.
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Post by DocQuantum on May 3, 2019 20:03:45 GMT
I’d like to think that the wealth, prosperity and equality in the 30th century, along with a greater degree of common sense, would result in a lack of many lawyers or activists. Twitter does not exist in the Legion’s 30th century, thank goodness!
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Post by dans on May 3, 2019 21:51:30 GMT
Twitter does not exist in the Legion’s 30th century, thank goodness! I wonder if social media was the cause of one or more of the intervening wars, and as a result, social media is banned in the Legion's time line? It wouldn't be too difficult to write a believable story set around 2022 or so in which the world is plunged into nuclear war because of comments made on social media...
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Post by redsycorax on May 3, 2019 22:43:00 GMT
Yes, but changing the subject back to robots, AI and androids civil liberties and sentients rights, after I saw Dans post, I realised that the Guardian's Manhunters still existed in the 30th Century, which indicates that they also did so in the Legion's past during the intervening millenium. What say the Manhunters were heavily involved in an interstellar war and there's distrust toward machine cultures and civilisations from organic counterparts due to that? It'd be the most logical reason from DC continuity. Is Grenda a member of the United Planets? Is the Legion perceived as a discriminatory organisation on machine-dominated worlds?
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Post by dans on May 3, 2019 22:50:25 GMT
The Legion was likely thought of as a discriminatory organization in a lot of places. As well as sexist. And probably a lot of other 'ists' too.
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Post by DocQuantum on May 5, 2019 3:41:09 GMT
I just remembered -- there is some precedent for civil rights issues in the 30th century! Proty II was leading a charge for his fellow Andromedans (sp?) to be given full rights as sentients, since they were previously classed as animals.
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Post by johnreiter902 on May 5, 2019 12:22:16 GMT
I’d like to think that the wealth, prosperity and equality in the 30th century, along with a greater degree of common sense, would result in a lack of many lawyers or activists. Twitter does not exist in the Legion’s 30th century, thank goodness! This is a nice idea, but lets not fall into Robbenburisms. In all of history, technology has never reduced the ability of humans to bicker over issues. In fact, the opposite is usually true. The more technology makes people's lives easier, the more time they have to think and become fixated on "issues that need to be solved."
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Post by DocQuantum on May 5, 2019 21:23:18 GMT
Yeah, I heard Roddenberry had a rule for the early seasons of TNG that crew members weren’t supposed to argue with each other based on some idea of a better future. That, of course, undercut a lot of potential for drama arising out of natural human interactions.
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Post by redsycorax on May 5, 2019 22:03:43 GMT
Actually, Protys I and II were from a planet that orbited the red giant star Arcturus in an eccentric trajectory, which facilitated their metamorphic abilities. But you re right. I'm not so sure about the sexism, given that Saturn Girl was elected Legion leader quite early on, and was also re-elected, although the later Taltar plotline was embarrassing, when it came to the reactions of both the male and female Legionnaires. Racism? Tyroc was virtually never seen after his initial election to the Legion and it would be twenty years or so before the second black Legionnaire, Jacques Foccart, Invisible Kid II, did so and to date Val Armorr (Karate Kid I) has been the only Asian Legionnaire- although Coluans are green skinned and in humanoid guise, Durlans are orange-hued, while Talokans are various shades of blue, so there is that. As for specieism, the Legion is dominated humanoids, with the exception of Chameleon Boy (in his true Durlan form), Tellus (Hykraiusian piscinoid/amphibian), Quislet and Blok. So, I acknowledge that it does seem unduly conservative in some ways.
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Post by dans on May 5, 2019 23:36:15 GMT
Karate Kid wasn't Asian when he was introduced - unless he was wearing a disguise.
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Post by johnreiter902 on May 6, 2019 10:11:57 GMT
Karate Kid wasn't Asian when he was introduced - unless he was wearing a disguise. Correct, he is not Asian or at least not wholly Asian.
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