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Post by DocQuantum on Oct 2, 2019 18:19:13 GMT
Luthor probably does have cousins somewhere, though probably not Smallville since they were a new family in the origin story. Still, perhaps Nasthalia really is related, but she’s a cousin instead of a niece. The “uncle” could still be a title she calls Lex even if it’s more complicated than that. In my wife’s family she has cousins much older than her who have kids her own age. She grew up calling them aunts and uncles due to the age difference. It’s easier to just keep doing so now than try to change things now, and it’s usually not worth explaining it to anyone outside the family. To add to this idea, perhaps Nasthalia’s mother, an older cousin of Lex’s, lived with the family as a foster child for a while and moved out when Lex was a still a child. Lex and this woman might think of each other as siblings instead of cousins. Indeed, she might even have been formally adopted. This would give proper respect not only to Sekowsky for creating Nasty but also Siegel who stated Lex only has one sister. In any case, Nasty probably has a different legal last name since women take their father’s name at birth, especially in 1950s America or even Europe.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Oct 2, 2019 21:22:23 GMT
Good idea
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Post by redsycorax on Oct 8, 2019 20:55:21 GMT
Sorry to be contrarian here, but couldn't Jules and Arienne Luthor simply have disowned Luthor's eloping elder sister the way they did Lex when he turned into a criminal supervillain? As for the Siegel comment, when was it made? The Earth-1/2 temporal cutoff point may be in effect if it took place before 1955.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Oct 9, 2019 3:07:06 GMT
That seems like the far more plausible scenario and cuts out a lot of unnecessary hoop jumping. Author's parents already seemed like jerks. They kicked him out before he had ever committed any crimes because they found his big public failures embaressing. I could see them severing all tied with his older sister because she was disobedient.
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Post by jonclark on Oct 9, 2019 6:32:39 GMT
It dawned on me last night that there is a third possibility. Lena and Lex are full-siblings but Nasthalia's mom is only a half-sibling. Jules got a girl in the family way in his late teens. The girl got shipped to Europe along with the infant. It's a decade later before he meets Arlene and they go on to have Lex and Lena. By the time Nasty's mom finds out her family heritage, Lex is the only one known to be alive.
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Post by DocQuantum on Oct 9, 2019 18:58:09 GMT
As for the Siegel comment, when was it made? The Earth-1/2 temporal cutoff point may be in effect if it took place before 1955. This whole discussion concerns Luthor of Earth-1 only. His origins were told in the Superboy stories of the early 1960s, written by Siegel and others.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Oct 14, 2019 19:50:38 GMT
Did it say she was his only sister or just that he was his sister? I don't think we should limit ourselves where we don't have to. Story telling in both the regular pre-crisis DC unviverse and ours has often been enriched with the introduction of previously unknown family.
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Post by shlomo on Apr 27, 2021 22:56:41 GMT
My thinking goes like this. Superman of Earth-2 first met Alexei Luthor in Europe, warmongering. What if, sometime in the early 1950s, Alexei came to Earth-1 Smallville, posing as a European Aristocrat, allegedly raising money for his country. (Perhaps Alexei also came over and was Amazing-Man (Superboy #59) , but I'm sure that's already dealt with in the timeline). Mr. Sekowsky's and redsycorax's Lorelei Luthor (presumably about 20 years older than Supergirl and Nasty) falls for this charming aristocrat, despite her parents' reservations about her chasing a man old enough to be her father. Amused, Alexei takes her with him and they marry in Toran (or Galonia, see Action Comics 22-23), where there daughter is born. Lorelei dies a few years later and Alexei, who's been 'commuting' between Earths 1 & 2, just leaves permanently. (Alternatively, Alexei Luthor, Aristocrat, could exist as a separate person on Earth 1, who also died in Nasthalthia's youth). Fortunately, Nasthalthia went to a good boarding school. Unfortunately, she was as power mad as her father (she's much more ruthless than her uncle, in my opinion of her stories) and, when she reach maturity, she reached out to Lex, whom she realized was her uncle, to offer to help. Lex, kinda creeped out by a relative who a. shares his goals (usually, family is what humanizes Luthor) and b. is even more ruthless (remember Alexei and Lex's team-up?) helps her deal with Supergirl (perhaps we need an untold tale of her hatred of Supergirl), but abandons her in San Francisco after Supergirl leaves. Nasthalthia eventually moves back to her old home in Europe, plotting revenge against the entire SuperFamily and Lex Luthor. (I realize that the last sentence may not mesh with what other writers here have done.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Apr 28, 2021 1:16:54 GMT
My thinking goes like this. Superman of Earth-2 first met Alexei Luthor in Europe, warmongering. What if, sometime in the early 1950s, Alexei came to Earth-1 Smallville, posing as a European Aristocrat, allegedly raising money for his country. (Perhaps Alexei also came over and was Amazing-Man (Superboy #59) , but I'm sure that's already dealt with in the timeline). Mr. Sekowsky's and redsycorax's Lorelei Luthor (presumably about 20 years older than Supergirl and Nasty) falls for this charming aristocrat, despite her parents' reservations about her chasing a man old enough to be her father. Amused, Alexei takes her with him and they marry in Toran (or Galonia, see Action Comics 22-23), where there daughter is born. Lorelei dies a few years later and Alexei, who's been 'commuting' between Earths 1 & 2, just leaves permanently. (Alternatively, Alexei Luthor, Aristocrat, could exist as a separate person on Earth 1, who also died in Nasthalthia's youth). Fortunately, Nasthalthia went to a good boarding school. Unfortunately, she was as power mad as her father (she's much more ruthless than her uncle, in my opinion of her stories) and, when she reach maturity, she reached out to Lex, whom she realized was her uncle, to offer to help. Lex, kinda creeped out by a relative who a. shares his goals (usually, family is what humanizes Luthor) and b. is even more ruthless (remember Alexei and Lex's team-up?) helps her deal with Supergirl (perhaps we need an untold tale of her hatred of Supergirl), but abandons her in San Francisco after Supergirl leaves. Nasthalthia eventually moves back to her old home in Europe, plotting revenge against the entire SuperFamily and Lex Luthor. (I realize that the last sentence may not mesh with what other writers here have done. I really like this idea.
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Post by DocQuantum on Apr 28, 2021 17:52:04 GMT
Ditto. It also fleshes out Earth-2 Luthor’s history a bit.
About the Amazing Man story, I think that’s actually the Earth-1 Luthor appearing via time travel. I have an idea about that which ties into Luthor prematurely aging and becoming fat and middle aged for a time (as he was in the 1950s) before returning to his real age.
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