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Post by starskyhutch76 on Nov 2, 2017 22:17:20 GMT
Sounds too similar to Geert Wilders, a well-known Dutch politician. I could see that being a deterrant. One thing I hate about current comic writers is that if the good guy is truly good, then the hero's political views surely must agree with his views. How else could he be a real hero if he doesn't have the right political views? They're more than willing to open that can of worms even if it alienates half their readers. On the other end of the spectrum, you've got writers doing this with the villains. Better to just leave personal politics out. As for the name thing, I was just looking up German baby names and German surnames. I go to the baby name sights a lot when making characters.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Nov 7, 2017 15:01:35 GMT
This looks like a very interesting story. I like the concept already. Never would have thought of using that particular villain as a hero. Great idea.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Nov 8, 2017 2:41:02 GMT
His sidekick, Fledermause, was his son in the post-crisis DC continuity. Will the same be true in ours?
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Post by DocQuantum on Nov 8, 2017 3:06:44 GMT
Yeah, I'm hoping John plans to address that at some point. As far as I know, his death hasn't been written about in our continuity, so he may have lived to adulthood instead of being killed in battle (IIRC) as in the Post-Crisis Young All-Stars series.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Nov 8, 2017 4:20:51 GMT
It would be good if he survived in our reality and eventually goes on to take his father's role.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Nov 8, 2017 13:48:37 GMT
Yes, the Bat is still going to be his son, Wilhelm. I've worked out their origin story, which I plan to show in the next post (when I get to it). As for what happens in later years, that I have no real plans for. I think it would be too ridiculous if Bat's aging process was slowed like Robin's was, so he probably would be retired himself now. He might have been a neo-nazi villain in the 50s and 60s though.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Nov 8, 2017 17:42:19 GMT
If he was a German hero,his son might be the Horned Owl on the present, having trained as his sidekick.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Nov 19, 2017 13:29:25 GMT
The Treger Estate, nestled within the suburbs of Frankfurt, was in a way the living embodiment of the evolution of the German nation. The first Baron von Treger had constructed a small castle there when he gained the favor of Fredrick Barbarossa during the Crusades. The castle had morphed as the years went to become a product of its age. Having survived the transition from the Holy Roman Empire into the Rhine Confederacy, the unifications of the Prussian Empire, and the chaos of the Weimar Republic, it now presented the perfect image of a modern manor house. But looks could be deceiving. The bones of the castle remained, behind layers of Baroque and Romanesque facelifts. The successive barons had chosen to build over what existed before and removed little. The entire building was now riddled with secret passageways and hidden rooms, almost a building within a building. No map of this labyrinth existed, except in the head of the present baron, and his only son. Yes, there was more to Tregor Manor than met the eye, and the same could be said for its master. Georg von Tregor was sitting at his desk in the highly vaulted room that had been a cathedral in the 13th century, his cowl pushed back over his head while he studied the maps in front of him. Each map charted the movements of one of the victims identified by Commissioner Eichler. As his eyes darted from one to another, he searched for commonalities. “Find what you were looking for yet papa?” asked a boy in a blue costume with purple cap and a mask that left his hair and chin uncovered while he practiced his gymnastics on the trapeze set, twirling first backwards and then forwards. “No Wilhelm, not yet.” George rubbed his eyes and decided to get another cup of coffee from the kitchenette. While sipping his drink, he watched his son’s training regime with approval. The Bat dropped to the parallel bars, then spun around on one hand while drawling three boomerangs from his belt. As he completed his turn, he launched the missiles at three cardboard cutouts fifteen feet below. Each two weapons took their targets in the neck, the other in the forearm of his gun hand. “Why only cripple that one?” the master crimefighter asked. Wilhelm dropped to the mats and grinned. He knew this was a test. “In my imaginary scenario, he was the leader. Alive, he could lead us to his accomplices.” The Horned Owl nodded approvingly and offered a slight smile. Very logical. He was quite pleased with his son’s progress.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Nov 20, 2017 13:29:50 GMT
They're definitely more ruthless than their American counterparts.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Nov 20, 2017 17:06:56 GMT
Very true. They are a product of a fascist justice system.
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Post by DocQuantum on Nov 20, 2017 17:29:02 GMT
I'm really enjoying this one. Feels kind of like an Elseworlds, but not slavishly so.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Nov 21, 2017 21:16:22 GMT
It hadn’t been easy, raising him alone. Sometimes, Georg had found himself questioning his decision to dedicate both their lives to the eradication of crime. But never for long.
Once, the von Tegor family had had a normal life, and in his opinion, a perfect one. Of course, there had been hard times as well. George had been alone after his father died in the First World War, but he had grieved only normally. They had never been close, with his dad focused on running the business of Tregor AG and Georg packed off to boarding schools.
When he turned 18 in 1920 and inherited the company, he had to work as hard as his father to keep them afloat and prospering in post-war Germany. The economy was in ruins, and the Weimar Republic was totally unable to enforce the law with the minimal resources they possessed. Nevertheless, Georg had managed to keep his family company prospering, and still found time for a personal like.
He met his beloved Elena at a friends’ party. It was love at first sight, as trite as that sounded.
Elena. In his mind, her name sounded like bells. She was perfect for them in every way. All of her strength countered his weaknesses and vice versa. She was practical, compassionate. He was visionary and pragmatic, they both possessed and iron will, and a devotion to their principles. Wilhelm was born shortly after their marriage in 1930.
Then, tragedy stuck. The degenerate state of his country came home to him on a terrible night, when a band of looters broke into their mansion. Elena tried to stop them. He would have too, but didn’t get there in time.
The light of his life was extinguished when a broken piece of pipe was brought down on her raven-tressed head. Georg had beaten those men within an inch of their lives. He was an athlete even then, had even considered trying for the 1935 Olympics. Also, he had the fury of a victim of injustice behind him. They scored plenty of hits on him, but he barely felt them.
The police arrived, much too late, and took the men into custody, but it changed nothing. Geoge von Tregor vowed that he could never again live in a world where chaos and evil were allowed to run rampant. Somebody needed to strike out for order and justice.
For a time, he considered going into politics, like Chancellor Hitler. He fully approved of the Nazi party’s dedication of an orderly society where people were constrained to obey the law. But that approach was too distant for him. He needed to personally eradicate crime, hunt down the evils that even the best policy forces could not because they were too massive and too entrenched in bureaucracy.
For years he trained himself, and his son, to hunt the forces of evil, adopting the imagery of great hunters of the night to terrify their opponents. The Bat was the Horned Owl's strong right hand, and he still contained so much of Elena's light-hearted spirit, he kept his father grounded
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Post by johnreiter902 on Nov 23, 2017 21:40:37 GMT
I'm planning on making reference to Axis Amerika in the next post, but before I write it, I'd like some feedback on a question. What would people think of my changing the name of the team from Axis America to something that makes more sense? I never liked the name of that team, and it's only been featured in one story so far on this sight. I think it could easily be that the name Axis America was just the code name or nickname used by the Suicide Squad for the team on that mission.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Nov 24, 2017 2:37:30 GMT
I'd definitely give them a different name. Axis Amerika only really made sense with Geoff John's modern day version made up of super powered American neo-nazis
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Post by DocQuantum on Nov 24, 2017 21:57:59 GMT
I'm planning on making reference to Axis Amerika in the next post, but before I write it, I'd like some feedback on a question. What would people think of my changing the name of the team from Axis America to something that makes more sense? I never liked the name of that team, and it's only been featured in one story so far on this sight. I think it could easily be that the name Axis America was just the code name or nickname used by the Suicide Squad for the team on that mission. I like that reasoning. In fact, one of the story ideas I’d thought of but never explored too much was having the JSA (or the All-Stars) fight a Nazi super-team during WWII. If you’ll notice, the JSA (known then as the Justice Battalion of America) rarely participated in true wartime cases in All-Star Comics past 1942. But I believe they had more cases fighting the Axis throughout the war that weren’t highly publicized. The Axis Amerika team under a new name could be that Nazi JSA. Just a thought.
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