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Post by lawrenceliberty on Jun 29, 2020 18:06:42 GMT
I wonder what made GA change his whole pattern of speech after he lost his money. The original version didn't use the same kind of slang and sarcasm.
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Post by DocQuantum on Jun 29, 2020 18:10:07 GMT
I think it’s just Ollie trying to fit in on a street level, since he moved from an upscale neighborhood to a slum. You tend to speak like those around you. It’s like when Madonna adopted a British accent while living in London a few years ago.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Jun 30, 2020 13:14:06 GMT
That's a good explanation.
It does make sense. Not that G.A. and Madonna have anything else in common!
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Jul 1, 2020 2:58:12 GMT
I think it’s just Ollie trying to fit in on a street level, since he moved from an upscale neighborhood to a slum. You tend to speak like those around you. It’s like when Madonna adopted a British accent while living in London a few years ago. Wait... are you saying Green Arrow's a pompous ass? (jk) I wonder how poor Ollie really was. Most guys who lose their fortunes don't go so sar as having to live in the slums. Maybe working in his trick arrow budget had something to do with it.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Jul 1, 2020 15:13:03 GMT
That's true. Those boxing gloves don't come cheap.
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Post by DocQuantum on Jul 2, 2020 2:31:25 GMT
Another parallel with Batman, at least for the Earth-2 version of Green Arrow, is a villain who was G.A.'s version of the Joker. Bull's-Eye was a crooked circus acrobat previously known as Leapo, who wore a clown costume with a big target on his chest, and was the most frequent recurring villain from the late golden age. Bull's-Eye never appeared after the 1940s, though, and I wonder what became of him. I wouldn't mind seeing him return on Earth-2. He could've been one of the many unnamed villains who were rejuvenated, because he's quite an interesting character, even if he is a bit derivative of the Joker. So I have long been under the impression that Bull's-Eye only existed on Earth-2. Turns out I'm wrong! There was an Earth-1 Bull's-Eye as well, according to Batman #139 (April, 1961), squarely in the Earth-1 era. A flashback shows how Signalman shared a prison cell with a crook who used to call himself Bull's-Eye, and fought Green Arrow, even using trick arrows against him once. Well, he taught Signalman how to make trick arrows while in prison, and Signalman briefly became the original Blue Bowman. This incident is even mentioned in Who's Who! Bull's-Eye existed on Earth-1, too. That's something I find very interesting... very interesting, indeed...
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Jul 3, 2020 2:31:30 GMT
If he's been rotting away in prison all this time, there could be an opportunity to do some interesting characterization with Bullseye. It would be really interesting if, after serving his time, he just wants to start anew and rebuild his life, but someone like Joker is REALLY insistant that he join his clown themed team.
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Post by reichsmark on Jan 3, 2021 6:21:45 GMT
Saw this just now. I had one thought on Green Arrow's manufacture of his arrows. When Tomahawk debuted with issue 1 one of the backup features was Tales of the Arrowmaker. It featured old arrow maker Grey Beaver relating stories of a House of Mystery type manner to native children as he answered their questions about why they did certain things a certain way. Since it was not time specific it was just assumed this took place in the old west. However one story took place in present day and revealed that the Arrowmaker was actually on a reservation. I think this would work best for the earth two version where i imagine about ten years earlier Grey Beaver was visiting Lost Mesa around the same time Oliver Queen did. Perhaps he was involved in that adventure and his part in it has been unrevealed until now. I believe Oliver also found a mine during that case. Grey Beaver could be the one supplying him with arrows and watching over his secret mine. Anyway, just a thought.
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Post by DocQuantum on Jan 3, 2021 8:04:34 GMT
Sometimes I think I live in the Twilight Zone with all the coincidences. I had made a digital collection of the Tales of the Arrowmaker stories a few months back when going through all the Tomahawk scans I have, and just yesterday I took a look at a couple of them and saw that one story you mention that takes place in the present day (from Tomahawk #5).
I like the connection! It's something I probably wouldn't have thought of, but it might work. Libby introduced a Green Arrow II named Oliver Morgan (son of museum curator Morgan from the golden age origin story) who (along with a Speedy II) continued Green Arrow and Speedy's crimefighting mission after they were lost in time in 1948 with the rest of the Seven Soldiers of Victory. I could see GA II having an even stronger connection with Grey Beaver given the time frame alone.
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Post by DocQuantum on Jan 3, 2021 8:15:27 GMT
If he's been rotting away in prison all this time, there could be an opportunity to do some interesting characterization with Bullseye. It would be really interesting if, after serving his time, he just wants to start anew and rebuild his life, but someone like Joker is REALLY insistant that he join his clown themed team. That would make for a good story! The Joker might recruit all the other jester-like characters such as the Prankster and the Trickster (retired from crime, but also forced back into it), and Bull's-Eye, and perhaps the now-elderly Crime Clown (foe of the Earth-1 TNT & Dyna-Mite), and intends to kill them all off by the end of the caper. But Bull's-Eye might have figured on this happening and ends up thwarting the Joker in such a way that even the Clown Prince of Crime bows to his brilliance. Or something like that.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Jan 3, 2021 12:40:01 GMT
If he's been rotting away in prison all this time, there could be an opportunity to do some interesting characterization with Bullseye. It would be really interesting if, after serving his time, he just wants to start anew and rebuild his life, but someone like Joker is REALLY insistant that he join his clown themed team. That would make for a good story! The Joker might recruit all the other jester-like characters such as the Prankster and the Trickster (retired from crime, but also forced back into it), and Bull's-Eye, and perhaps the now-elderly Crime Clown (foe of the Earth-1 TNT & Dyna-Mite), and intends to kill them all off by the end of the caper. But Bull's-Eye might have figured on this happening and ends up thwarting the Joker in such a way that even the Clown Prince of Crime bows to his brilliance. Or something like that. I love the idea! I would imagine that Prankster would be fully onboard with Joker (not knowing his death is the punch line), so would the Crime Clown (desire to return to the fame he feels he deserves, though going a little senile), Trickster would be on the side of Bull's-Eye, working to get them caught by the superheroes.
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 24, 2023 23:00:40 GMT
Speaking of the Earth-2 Green Arrow and Speedy, their earliest case(s) have not been seen yet. In their first published case in More Fun Comics #73, they reference an earlier case, “The Case of the Golden Mummy.” That May have been their first case as a crime fighting duo, or just one of their first cases. Given the gold aspect, it may have something to do with the gold from Lost Mesa. And their stockbroker is seen in one story, who is not named but who I have identified as the Earth-2 Max Lord, someone I credit for helping to move Oliver’s investments from New York to Star City. I imagine the Earth-1 Oliver also had a business manager who would not be Max Lord, but as noted that side of his life was rarely depicted, and only after his fortune was lost. After having success with Johnny Quick's untold cases, I thought I'd try my hand at Green Arrow's earliest untold case -- but with a twist! I had this crazy idea that a case by the same name -- "The Case of the Golden Mummy" -- could be told in two very different ways. The first story on Earth-2 in 1941 would feature Green Arrow and Speedy in their first real case together after their origin story. The second story on Earth-1 in 1972 would feature Green Arrow alone after he returned from civilization after being stranded on Star Island for a year, and which would occur several months before he ever met Roy Harper. It could be fun.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Sept 25, 2023 3:09:26 GMT
Speaking of the Earth-2 Green Arrow and Speedy, their earliest case(s) have not been seen yet. In their first published case in More Fun Comics #73, they reference an earlier case, “The Case of the Golden Mummy.” That May have been their first case as a crime fighting duo, or just one of their first cases. Given the gold aspect, it may have something to do with the gold from Lost Mesa. And their stockbroker is seen in one story, who is not named but who I have identified as the Earth-2 Max Lord, someone I credit for helping to move Oliver’s investments from New York to Star City. I imagine the Earth-1 Oliver also had a business manager who would not be Max Lord, but as noted that side of his life was rarely depicted, and only after his fortune was lost. After having success with Johnny Quick's untold cases, I thought I'd try my hand at Green Arrow's earliest untold case -- but with a twist! I had this crazy idea that a case by the same name -- "The Case of the Golden Mummy" -- could be told in two very different ways. The first story on Earth-2 in 1941 would feature Green Arrow and Speedy in their first real case together after their origin story. The second story on Earth-1 in 1972 would feature Green Arrow alone after he returned from civilization after being stranded on Star Island for a year, and which would occur several months before he ever met Roy Harper. It could be fun. You could give the Eaarth-2 story a legacy aspect by having Red Arrow or Arrowette discover something in the 'present' day that ties back to Green Arrow's first case.
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