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Post by starskyhutch76 on Sept 18, 2020 13:01:21 GMT
I think you missed what I was saying. I pointed out that JSAGL hadn't written here for a long time, so they could play for your team. I just wouldn't call them JLA. There's already a justice league. You would be better off with the Global Guardians because EVERYONE is technically a charter member of the Global Guardians.
Also, in regards to "sabotage", to quote Indigo Montoya from "The Princess Bride", you keep using this word, but I'm not sure you know what it means. You can't sabotage something that hasn't happened or because someone else got there first. You don't here me bitching that Ryan Reynolds sabotaged my chances of being People Magazine's sexiest man alive.
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Post by dan s on Sept 18, 2020 13:11:21 GMT
I'd like to point out that if you regret something you said in a post, there are two options - you can edit that post or you can delete it...
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 13:47:29 GMT
I think you missed what I was saying. I pointed out that JSAGL hadn't written here for a long time, so they could play for your team. I just wouldn't call them JLA. There's already a justice league. You would be better off with the Global Guardians because EVERYONE is technically a charter member of the Global Guardians. Also, in regards to "sabotage", to quote Indigo Montoya from "The Princess Bride", you keep using this word, but I'm not sure you know what it means. You can't sabotage something that hasn't happened or because someone else got there first. You don't here me $!^@#ing that Ryan Reynolds sabotaged my chances of being People Magazine's sexiest man alive. "Everyone is technically a charter member of the Global Guardians" only and so solely because the writers here on the DC 5 Earths forum want it not because they "should" nor because they "wanted" to be or according to a meta-language dialogue between Animal Man and Grant Morrison: Animal Man - "I'm a vegetarian! "Grant Morrison -" No, I AM VEGETARIAN! You will be what they write! "Briefly because the writers here on the forum" wanted "to put Guy Gardner and all iconic members of JLI into a lesser importance superhero team, equal the Conglomerate they "could put them" because they were the ones who wrote the stories and if someone felt bothered that they were going to write their own story with JLI or go to read on another website then do what for the readers of Justice League International they put them even in a class Z sub-team of superheroes of fifth category because they "could do it" and if someone thought it was bad that go read fanfictions in another place. In simple language "power generates power" you have the possession of these characters so you can do whatever you want with them like killing them, cutting off their arms, crippling them, blind them, take away their powers, make them addicted to some drugs, turn them into alcoholics, turning them into fur rugs, killing your children, raping the wife of one of them and then murder her with her pregnant with the first child, blow their heads off, blow holes in their chest with the vision of heat , turns them into villains finally all those unpleasant things that are killing current comics and that you they say they repudiate but that they are not very different. Sorry to say but this IS YES "sabotage".
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 13:49:11 GMT
I'd like to point out that if you regret something you said in a post, there are two options - you can edit that post or you can delete it... I'll edit the post.
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Post by dans on Sept 18, 2020 15:41:39 GMT
I do that a lot with social media posts, when I find I wish I hadn't said something, I edit the post. Many people don't seem to realize they can edit posts on most social media platforms, or they don't care enough to make the edits.
One of the things that is nice about posting stories here is I don't have to repost a whole section when I make a change to a sentence...
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Sept 18, 2020 15:43:34 GMT
I think you missed what I was saying. I pointed out that JSAGL hadn't written here for a long time, so they could play for your team. I just wouldn't call them JLA. There's already a justice league. You would be better off with the Global Guardians because EVERYONE is technically a charter member of the Global Guardians. Also, in regards to "sabotage", to quote Indigo Montoya from "The Princess Bride", you keep using this word, but I'm not sure you know what it means. You can't sabotage something that hasn't happened or because someone else got there first. You don't here me $!^@#ing that Ryan Reynolds sabotaged my chances of being People Magazine's sexiest man alive. "Everyone is technically a charter member of the Global Guardians" only and so solely because the writers here on the DC 5 Earths forum want it not because they "should" nor because they "wanted" to be or according to a meta-language dialogue between Animal Man and Grant Morrison: Animal Man - "I'm a vegetarian! "Grant Morrison -" No, I AM VEGETARIAN! You will be what they write! "Briefly because the writers here on the forum" wanted "to put Guy Gardner and all iconic members of JLI into a lesser importance superhero team, equal the Conglomerate they "could put them" because they were the ones who wrote the stories and if someone felt uncomfortable that they were going to write their own story with JLI or go to read on another website then do what for the readers of Justice League International they put them even in a class Z sub-team of superheroes of fifth category because they "could do it" and if someone thought it was bad that go read fanfictions in another place. In simple language "power generates power" you have the possession of these characters so you can do whatever you want with them like killing them, cutting off their arms, crippling them, blind them, take away their powers, make them addicted to some drugs, turn them into alcoholics, turning them into fur rugs, killing your children, raping the wife of one of them and then murder her with her pregnant with the first child, blow their heads off, blow holes in their chest with the vision of heat , turns them into villains finally all those unpleasant things that are killing current comics and that you they say they repudiate but that they are not very different. Sorry to say but this IS YES "sabotage" How familiar with pre-crisis continuity are you? That fact I said about the Global Guardians isn't something we created. If you're able to get your hands on an old issue of DC's "Who's Who", you will see that I'm right. I'm sorry you feel respecting other writers and observing continuity is "sabotage", but we try to play well with others here. You are way too hung up on names. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck then its a duck. JSAGL's conglomerate basically was the Giffen and JDM Justice League. He just didn't use the name because we also had the traditional JLA. He was respecting what his felow writers were doing at the time. As for " killing them, cutting off their arms, crippling them, blind them, take away their powers, make them addicted to some drugs, turn them into alcoholics, turning them into fur rugs, killing your children, raping the wife of one of them and then murder her with her pregnant with the first child, blow their heads off, blow holes in their chest with the vision of heat , turns them into villains finally all those unpleasant things that are killing current comics", you'll never see that sort of garbage here. That and all the current socialist propaganda is why I don't buy current comics. JSAGL is ancient history, though. I doubt he's ever coming back. Maxwell Lord, being a corporate guy, could choose to rebrand the Conglomerate like many companies do. Maybe a focus group says they hate the name. You could even use the Superbuddies name they had in "I can't believe it's not the justice League after Maxwell Lord's marketing team tells him it's more family friendly.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 16:08:29 GMT
I do that a lot with social media posts, when I find I wish I hadn't said something, I edit the post. Many people don't seem to realize they can edit posts on most social media platforms, or they don't care enough to make the edits. One of the things that is nice about posting stories here is I don't have to repost a whole section when I make a change to a sentence... Well let's see you took an unpopular team of heroes and gave it a much greater importance than it really has, more or less as DC Comics did with that snobbish and arrogant Evil Batman by Prometheus that was destined to be simply forgotten just like the other characters Grant Morrison's bizarre supporting characters that were simply overestimated beyond his true character value while making it completely unviable by any means to create a much more famous and important team of heroes purely because according to the writers' point of view here. forum that "would not sympathize" with this team and would much prefer another one in the Global Guardians case and decided to replace their characters as members of the Conglomerate which is a completely disposable team but that you decided to put in place of JLI basically simply because you could do it it and the troubled ones who moved. It is my frustration that I like JLI but the writers of this forum do not and therefore decided to make it impossible to create anything with Justice League International simply by replacing their characters all for a team that should be considered irrelevant but that the writers here decided to overestimate beyond their real value as a group of superheroes.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 16:42:30 GMT
"Everyone is technically a charter member of the Global Guardians" only and so solely because the writers here on the DC 5 Earths forum want it not because they "should" nor because they "wanted" to be or according to a meta-language dialogue between Animal Man and Grant Morrison: Animal Man - "I'm a vegetarian! "Grant Morrison -" No, I AM VEGETARIAN! You will be what they write! "Briefly because the writers here on the forum" wanted "to put Guy Gardner and all iconic members of JLI into a lesser importance superhero team, equal the Conglomerate they "could put them" because they were the ones who wrote the stories and if someone felt uncomfortable that they were going to write their own story with JLI or go to read on another website then do what for the readers of Justice League International they put them even in a class Z sub-team of superheroes of fifth category because they "could do it" and if someone thought it was bad that go read fanfictions in another place. In simple language "power generates power" you have the possession of these characters so you can do whatever you want with them like killing them, cutting off their arms, crippling them, blind them, take away their powers, make them addicted to some drugs, turn them into alcoholics, turning them into fur rugs, killing your children, raping the wife of one of them and then murder her with her pregnant with the first child, blow their heads off, blow holes in their chest with the vision of heat , turns them into villains finally all those unpleasant things that are killing current comics and that you they say they repudiate but that they are not very different. Sorry to say but this IS YES "sabotage" How familiar with pre-crisis continuity are you? That fact I said about the Global Guardians isn't something we created. If you're able to get your hands on an old issue of DC's "Who's Who", you will see that I'm right. I'm sorry you feel respecting other writers and observing continuity is "sabotage", but we try to play well with others here. You are way too hung up on names. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck then its a duck. JSAGL's conglomerate basically was the Giffen and JDM Justice League. He just didn't use the name because we also had the traditional JLA. He was respecting what his felow writers were doing at the time. As for " killing them, cutting off their arms, crippling them, blind them, take away their powers, make them addicted to some drugs, turn them into alcoholics, turning them into fur rugs, killing your children, raping the wife of one of them and then murder her with her pregnant with the first child, blow their heads off, blow holes in their chest with the vision of heat , turns them into villains finally all those unpleasant things that are killing current comics", you'll never see that sort of garbage here. That and all the current socialist propaganda is why I don't buy current comics. JSAGL is ancient history, though. I doubt he's ever coming back. Maxwell Lord, being a corporate guy, could choose to rebrand the Conglomerate like many companies do. Maybe a focus group says they hate the name. You could even use the Superbuddies name they had in "I can't believe it's not the justice League after Maxwell Lord's marketing team tells him it's more family friendly. I'm sorry to have to say this but this story that Global Guardians could technically make any superhero in the world an effective member of the team was completely disregarded in today's comics the Global Guardians would no longer have "theoretically more power guaranteed" to them by the UN than the other superhero groups in Universe DC they currently have exactly the same power as the Justice League of America and other groups. This is not even me who is wrongly saying this is a retcon that the team suffered after Crisis on Infinite Earths the Global Guardians no longer have any kind of absolute power over other heroes. Look, you can think what you want from me, but the fact is that due to a series of decisions that clearly demonstrate that you have a certain contempt for JLI and prefer Global Guardians much more as a super team of international heroes from Universe DC and precisely to make very clear this contempt you decided to replace all the members that originally should belong to Justice League International by the Conglomerate that I repeat was overestimated in their fanfictions beyond their real value as a group just like DC did with that idiot of Prometheus. I'm sorry but if this isn't sabotage then what is it? About what I said that according to you I will never see this kind of trash here on this forum ... Well at least that. Honestly, I feel much better knowing that I won't see this kind of thing here on this forum than reading and having the displeasure of seeing this type of detestable literature here as well. If at least here these characters that I love so much will be treated with all due care and consideration, at least I feel better even if there is no possibility of a fanfiction of JLI. What DC Comics did with Maxwell Lord was to define him as a businessman thirsty for more power then try to redeem him then condemn him again, try to redeem him again after finally deciding to condemn him beyond any and all possibilities of redemption and turn him into such a threat that I see no way out of him beyond death. That was scoundrel and honestly it doesn't help to think that it wasn't like that in the fanfics of the Conglomerate just makes me hate the Conglomerate much more and think that they stole the place that it should originally have been under the right of Justice League International.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Sept 18, 2020 17:09:50 GMT
It's exactly right that any hero could potentially be a member of the Global Guardians. THey were effectively an emergency strikeforce who would be called to action by Doctor Mist. Even heavy hitters like Superman. You say the Conglomerate usurped the rightful place of JLI. In the comics, the JLI literally usurped the Global Guardians' role. That's why they are still around in our world since we go off of the old pre-crisis continuity.
There's no contempt for JLI. It just didn't happen in our continuity. Think of the 5 Earths Project as an alternate reality. In our timeline, the 5 remaining earths didn't merge. (That's why JSAGL used Sargon instead of Doctor Fate).
Sabotage would imply a deliberate, malicious intent. How could writers who wrote stories years ago have malicious intent against you?
If anything, I'm trying to help you. I've made several sugggestions, but through your unwillingness to compromise, it's like you are determined to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 17:51:20 GMT
It's exactly right that any hero could potentially be a member of the Global Guardians. THey were effectively an emergency strikeforce who would be called to action by Doctor Mist. Even heavy hitters like Superman. You say the Conglomerate usurped the rightful place of JLI. In the comics, the JLI literally usurped the Global Guardians' role. That's why they are still around in our world since we go off of the old pre-crisis continuity. There's no contempt for JLI. It just didn't happen in our continuity. Think of the 5 Earths Project as an alternate reality. In our timeline, the 5 remaining earths didn't merge. (That's why JSAGL used Sargon instead of Doctor Fate). Sabotage would imply a deliberate, malicious intent. How could writers who wrote stories years ago have malicious intent against you? If anything, I'm trying to help you. I've made several sugggestions, but through your unwillingness to compromise, it's like you are determined to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory. Not necessarily . This is what you say about Global Guardians being able technically to have the right to register virtually any superhero from Universe DC as members even if Superman no longer applies to current comics. The Global Guardians no longer have absolute powers given to them by the United Nations to apply over the other superheroes of Universe DC in current comics they no longer have any type of power or greater authority over superheroes like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman, Firestorm, Green Arrow, The Atom, Zatanna etc. I could even agree with your statement that in the Justice League International comics "usurped the place" from the Global Guardians it was not a tiny, almost insignificant detail ... in the comics the Global Guardians were about to be canceled and discontinued by DC Comics. The Global Guardians were never exactly one of the most popular and talked about super teams in Universe DC. They were unpopular, dated, with no relevance as a supergroup. How many stories and achievements can you quote me saying that they were made by Global Guardians in comics? Better yet, how many readers can you name who remember and can narrate the adventures of the Global Guardians in comics? Unfortunately as much as it hurts to admit the Global Guardians are only famous as a super team between us nerds who live sending E-Mails and signing petitions asking them to return to the comics for DC Comics. But the great truth is that JLI was a team of international heroes far superior to the Global Guardians. Readers followed and became interested in their adventures, cheered for the characters, had favorite members, finally gave full support to the team in comics as a super group with a global scope. In comics, this is how a less popular comics book title not works is replaced by a more popular one. What can I not understand or see reason or practical motivation and that being able to make a fanfiction with JLI have you chosen instead to make a fanfiction with the Conglomerate which is a team that in comics has not even equaled Justice League International? I can only qualify this as a tremendous bad will on your part made out of pure nerdy contempt that you felt for JLI purely in favor of the Global Guardians. That is what I mean.
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 18, 2020 18:04:13 GMT
This is what you say about Global Guardians being able technically to have the right to register virtually any superhero from Universe DC as members even if Superman no longer applies to current comics. Our stories are not based on current comics. We're based on Pre-Crisis DC Comics only, and we've restored the original Justice League of America and built up the Global Guardians in our stories. Kaiserleomon, have you ever read any of our stories at 5earths.com or 5earths.info?
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 18:12:36 GMT
This is what you say about Global Guardians being able technically to have the right to register virtually any superhero from Universe DC as members even if Superman no longer applies to current comics. Our stories are not based on current comics. We're based on Pre-Crisis DC Comics only, and we've restored the original Justice League of America and built up the Global Guardians in our stories. Kaiserleomon, have you ever read any of our stories at 5earths.com or 5earths.info? I can even understand this fact DocQuantum, however, just as a fact that only applies to fanfictions here on the DC 5 Earths forum, not to the Universe DC Comics and as they are only stories written by fans of the Global Guardians who have a certain declared contempt that they make no attempt to hide of the Justice League International I don't even take it seriously.
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Post by dans on Sept 18, 2020 18:20:38 GMT
Since 5EP does have fairly strict continuity guidelines, perhaps story ideas that can't possibly fit into 5EP Earth 1 continuity should be discussed on one of the other boards?
I've often felt constricted by 5EP guidelines, which is why a lot of my stuff ends up in the Infinite Earth boards.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 18:35:11 GMT
Since 5EP does have fairly strict continuity guidelines, perhaps story ideas that can't possibly fit into 5EP Earth 1 continuity should be discussed on one of the other boards? I've often felt constricted by 5EP guidelines, which is why a lot of my stuff ends up in the Infinite Earth boards. I understand the rules and guidelines of the DC 5 Earths forum and respect them. It is not my goal to want to question the rules or their validity just to discuss the idea that I proposed of making a fanfiction based on Justice League International on the DC 5 Earths forum. But they will have to apologize for the irritating insistence but the way I imagined JLI is a team from Earth-1 it would not work as a team from any other Earth since as I imagined it it could only be valid as a super group only in Earth-1. Moving it to Infinite Earths would ruin all of your validity as a team. But unfortunately I can't use the characters I would like to use and I can't even put JLI as a team of international superheroes simply because of this nerdy favor from the forum's readers to the Conglomerate and the Global Guardians.
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 18, 2020 18:36:32 GMT
Yeah, Dan, we've already tried to help kaiser find alternative ways to tell the story he wants to tell, but he doesn't like any of the proposals we've come up with.
Let me say it again: I LOVE Justice League International by Giffen & DeMatteis. Many of us here do, though not all. It's just something that doesn't work in our continuity because we're based on Pre-Crisis comics. JLI was based on a Post-Crisis "New Earth" continuity in which Blue Beetle, Captain Marvel, Doctor Fate, Captain Atom, Power Girl, etc, are on the same Earth as the JLA, the JLA no longer exists, and the Global Guardians have lost their United Nations status -- none of which applies to Earth-1.
Kaiser, if you have no interest in our stories or continuity, why are you here? Honestly, you cannot criticize stories that you haven't even read.
And when we've tried to find ways to make your ideas work in our continuity, you aren't interested in them. Maybe the Five Earths Project is just not a good fit for you.
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