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Post by lawrenceliberty on Sept 20, 2020 22:22:44 GMT
I would like to see team of Guy, Ice, a new Fire who is a separate character from the original Green Fury, Onyx, Roh Karr, either Creeper/Forager/ or a female Beetle, and possibly Animal Man. After all, if we agree to allow a JLE we should at least make sure the existing continuity is not altered too much. Most Global Guardians already have teams in their own countries as shown in stories that are already part of continuity. Then again, would the comedic JLE belong on E-12 in its original form with its original members?
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 20, 2020 22:24:12 GMT
I was thinking about the idea of using a version for the Universe DC Pre-Crisis by Black Canary / Dinah Redmond. She would have absolutely no relationship with Black Canary / Dinah Lance of the Earth-2 would basically be a vigilant uniformed meta-human of Earth-1, highly competent in hand-to-hand combat with martial arts training and possessing rather than meta-human power of hypersonic scream instead of that psychic powers like telepathy and telekinesis comparable to Psylocke from Marvel Comics We had a story here where the Earth-2 Wildcat had looked into what happened with the Earth-1 counterparts of the JSA. So there is an Earth-1 Dinah Drake (counterpart of the original Earth-2 Black Canary). She became a cop on Earth 1. Your Dinah Redmond could be connected to her. I can see her as a younger counterpart to the JLA Black Canary. Instead of marrying larry lance (who was a creep on Earth-1), Dinah Drake married someone named Redmond and your character would be their daughter. We know from the Flash's origin and a few other places that the JSA were comic book heroes on Earth 1. Either Dinah Redmond or someone looking to even a score with JLA Black Canary may have connected the old comic book Black Canary to Mrs. Drake-Redmond and assumed they were family. This would lead your Dinah into the super-hero world where she could be connected to Black Canary without actually altering any established history. Technically she's a new character who you can add as many parallels as you want to both the JLA heroine and the TV character. She could even try passing herself off as the daughter or sister of the JLA Canary. She might even (at least at first) use the name Canary. It's an excellent idea that I could definitely use for the character.
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Post by jonclark on Sept 20, 2020 22:25:46 GMT
Dinah Drake of Earth-1 would only be in her early 30s at most, though. And I've got plans for her. She's childless. I respect your plans. I wasn't sure about the age as the old rule of thumb from the comics had been "roughly every 20 years" which would have made Dinah Drake of heroing age around 1968 or so. Would your plans be effected by having a Dinah Redmond who was a younger cousin, niece, or something that could be Kaiserleomon's character?
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 20, 2020 22:26:54 GMT
"JLA" doesn't work, though. There's already a JLA. Just use Justice League International. No need to be import every idea into this one.
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 20, 2020 22:27:43 GMT
Dinah Drake of Earth-1 would only be in her early 30s at most, though. And I've got plans for her. She's childless. I respect your plans. I wasn't sure about the age as the old rule of thumb from the comics had been "roughly every 20 years" which would have made Dinah Drake of heroing age around 1968 or so. Would your plans be effected by having a Dinah Redmond who was a younger cousin, niece, or something that could be Kaiserleomon's character? She should be unrelated.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 20, 2020 22:36:27 GMT
I would like to see team of Guy, Ice, a new Fire who is a separate character from the original Green Fury, Onyx, Roh Karr, either Creeper/Forager/ or a female Beetle, and possibly Animal Man. After all, if we agree to allow a JLE we should at least make sure the existing continuity is not altered too much. Most Global Guardians already have teams in their own countries as shown in stories that are already part of continuity. Then again, would the comedic JLE belong on E-12 in its original form with its original members? Basically the Justice League International and the Global Guardians in the continuity of the DC 5 Earths forum would not see themselves as rivals or enemies but as allies and companions who would complete each other in the task of protecting the world from international threats. Global Guardians would take this task more seriously while JLI would be more relaxed and cool and see no reason to be so "formal" in a world where the leaders of the nations themselves are sometimes tremendous clowns. The team would take place perfectly on Earth-1 since the Justice League heroes would realize that the world has changed and is much bigger and goes far beyond the borders of the USA.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 20, 2020 22:38:50 GMT
"JLA" doesn't work, though. There's already a JLA. Just use Justice League International. No need to be import every idea into this one. Okay so it's like Justice League International.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 20, 2020 22:42:14 GMT
I respect your plans. I wasn't sure about the age as the old rule of thumb from the comics had been "roughly every 20 years" which would have made Dinah Drake of heroing age around 1968 or so. Would your plans be effected by having a Dinah Redmond who was a younger cousin, niece, or something that could be Kaiserleomon's character? She should be unrelated. Yes . Basically it had nothing to do with Black Canary so I suggested the name "Black Nightingale" to differentiate them.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Sept 21, 2020 1:38:53 GMT
Or you could call her "Black Siren" after the alternate Earth Dinah Lance from "Arrow".
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 21, 2020 1:44:20 GMT
If we’re really serious about this idea, some groundwork could be laid down in the Underworld Unleashed story. I’ve mentioned a related plot to do with the Global Guardians before. What would some world leaders, particularly the President, NATO, and the Pentagon think of Doctor Mist’s moves to spread his team all over the world? He’s ostensibly connected with the UN, but really has no one overseeing him. I’d thought of an international team being set up specifically to rival the Global Guardians in case Mist ever turned against the world. It could be called something like the Kryptonite Option. I was thinking of creating a team called the Ultramarines that would be primarily USA led but with a handful of heroes from other nations to give it legitimacy. Perhaps it could be the JLI instead. If I allow the boldness and entering the subject of the creation for Earth-1 of Universe DC Pre-Crisis of a version of The International Ultramarine Corps I have some suggestions of members for this team: 4-D / Captain Lea Corben Flow / Major Daniel Stone Goraiko / Unknown (Japanese Army Officer with Quantum powers similar to Captain Atom of Earth-4) Pulse 8 / Captain John Wether (Military of the American Army, meta-human that dominates the 4 Fundamental Forces of the Universe: Gravitation, Magnetism, Radio Particles and Quantum Particles) Tolifhar (White Gorilla Knight Genetically Enhanced by Gorilla Grodd of Gorilla-City) The Minotaur / Asterion (The legendary Minotaur of Crete and the father of the entire Minotaur race, he is a mystical beast with divine powers and warrior abilities that make him match even for the Wonder Woman) Warmaker One / Lieutenant Colonel Scott Sawyer Team Leader Cosmo Racer / Unknown (Military Scientist from Japan who developed the metahuman power of moving at warp speeds) Tomorrow Woman / Clara Kendall Dawnfire / Unknown (superheroine from Democratic Republic of Congo with super powers flaming comparable to heroine Fire) Noble (is the ruler of the underwater Atlantean off-shoot group known as the Lurkers. He has super powers amphibious comparable if not superior to those of Aquaman) Orpheus / Gavin King Alloy (is a super powerful cybernetic being formed by the sum of the metal alloys: "Gold", "Platinum", "Iron", "Lead", "Tin", "Mercury" that adds the combined power of all Metal Men in one being synthetic metal shapeshifiter with artificial intelligence and a mega-responsometer that gives he the ability to feel emotions) Adept / Unknown (Mysterious master of occult knowledge)
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Post by redsycorax on Sept 21, 2020 3:43:43 GMT
I was thinking the lineup might be more appropriate for a new Global Guardians as well. One suggested addition might be Turkey's combat hero, Janissary:https://comicvine.gamespot.com/janissary/4005-9917/
I know she's post-Crisis, but why not include her as well?
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Post by redsycorax on Sept 21, 2020 3:52:28 GMT
I must say, it was good to see the Elongated Man and Sue back again, although one imagines there must have been a time wrinkle somewhere when it comes to their outfits, given that Ralph hasn't had a secret identity for years. I hated the post-Crisis plotline where Jean Loring murdered Sue, and shortly after Ralph also died. So I imagine there's an untold story in which a slight historical revision has occurred, Ralph didn't disclose his identity, and Sue joined him in the metahuman stakes at some point later. Could make a very interesting story, although I realise the deaths of the Dibnys will never occur in the 5 Earths context.
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 21, 2020 5:59:02 GMT
Yeah, Ralph and Sue still live and have a daughter now.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 21, 2020 12:30:06 GMT
Or you could call her "Black Siren" after the alternate Earth Dinah Lance from "Arrow". Interesting idea. But wouldn’t she look a lot like that character that appeared in the episode of The Justice Guild of America of the cartoon series of Justice League?
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 21, 2020 12:31:11 GMT
I was thinking the lineup might be more appropriate for a new Global Guardians as well. One suggested addition might be Turkey's combat hero, Janissary:https://comicvine.gamespot.com/janissary/4005-9917/ I know she's post-Crisis, but why not include her as well? Actually I also think that if it were possible I would include Janissary in JLI but if I put all the international superheroes I want, Justice League International will be completely impossible to manage as a super group of international heroes. I would even like to put Janissary to have more heroes from the Middle East but JLI already has more than 30 members and that's a lot so I prefer to leave the team the way it is that is already very good as a super team international.
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