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Post by johnreiter902 on Jun 13, 2023 11:33:26 GMT
Another point of interest is Carol Danvers (Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel). One can't help but wonder by her last name of Danvers if she was related to Fred Danvers, Kara Zor-El's adoptive father. Fred Danvers' own son was involved in the military and died in the Korean War, so there's a military tradition in that family. However, Fred Danvers exists on Earth-1, not Earth-2 or Earth-616. In the revised Earth-616 timeline, could Kara Zor-L have been taken in by Carol's father, Joe Danvers? And thus taken the secret identity of Linda Danvers (or Karen Danvers) similar to her Earth-1 counterpart? Of course, the reasoning for this might not make sense at all. It really depends on how old Kara was when she came to Earth, and what Superman did with her when she got here. Midvale and its orphanage don't exist in this timeline, of course. And this Superman is a couple of decades older and married, so he might want to take her in as family. I suspect Clark and Bette would just adopt Kara
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Post by johnreiter902 on Jun 13, 2023 11:36:27 GMT
Would Clark Kent have continued at the Daily Bugle or moved on to another newspaper? J. Jonah Jameson would have purchased the Daily Bugle himself by the early 1960s at the very latest, so he would be the publisher by then. He might have hired Clark Kent as his chief editor in the 1950s, but Clark might not have enjoyed working for such a taskmaster after all these years and moved on. Perhaps Clark and Betty ended up in television a few years earlier than Clark in DC Comics' publishing timeline. Or they could have changed careers. Alternatively, if they had stayed at the Daily Bugle as reporters, one wonders if Clark figured out early on that young Peter Parker was really Spider-Man and helped protect his identity from Jameson after seeing how effective a crime-fighter the boy turned out to be. Peter Parker might even have become Superman's pal. You make a very persuasive argument about Clark leaving the Daily Bugle. It might happen, though I imagined him staying originally. Something would have to be done about Jameson.
If he did stay, I'm sure that he would quickly realize Peter is Spider-Man, and would probably be a mentor to him.
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Post by DocQuantum on Jun 18, 2023 22:52:53 GMT
The more I think about this thread, the more I think we ought to try taking published comics and rewriting a plot synopsis to show how things might have happened differently with the golden age heroes switched.
But where to begin? The origin stories will likely need a lot of rewriting to fit. Most of Superman's first story wouldn't have happened since there was no Daily Star, no Lois Lane, no Metropolis. He would have gone from his hometown to Cleveland to do... what? Work at the Cleveland Evening News? He couldn't have liked it that much, since he ended up moving to New York City after a year or two. So his first adventures are probably not all that compelling, and would require a lot of original storytelling rather than adapting from existing sources (which is more the point of this thread).
Perhaps we should start listing some of the Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Sub-Mariner, Human Torch, and Captain America stories that had to have happened even without the original protagonists, but could be rewritten featuring the switched heroes. The first appearances of the main villains, for example, could be rewritten with the heroes replaced. It would be cool to see a synopsis of the original story first, then a synopsis of the version of the story taking place in the "switched heroes" reality.
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Post by jonclark on Jun 19, 2023 2:42:04 GMT
The more I think about this thread, the more I think we ought to try taking published comics and rewriting a plot synopsis to show how things might have happened differently with the golden age heroes switched. But where to begin? The origin stories will likely need a lot of rewriting to fit. Most of Superman's first story wouldn't have happened since there was no Daily Star, no Lois Lane, no Metropolis. He would have gone from his hometown to Cleveland to do... what? Work at the Cleveland Evening News? He couldn't have liked it that much, since he ended up moving to New York City after a year or two. So his first adventures are probably not all that compelling, and would require a lot of original storytelling rather than adapting from existing sources (which is more the point of this thread). I'd say Superman might just have had the same or similar adventures in Cleveland and the move to New York is Superman going from dealing with thus and corruption to dealing with biigger challenges (the Marvel equivalent of taking on Luthor and the UltraHumanite rather than corrupt mine-owners and reckless driving).
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Post by johnreiter902 on Jun 19, 2023 11:35:17 GMT
My cursory overview of Marvel history suggests that Superman's first actual supervillain would have been Dr. Manyac and his Green Flames. Up until 1941, his rogues gallery would have been small, mostly spies and mobsters.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Jun 26, 2023 0:12:16 GMT
Still working on this, but I have some thoughts on adventures and rogues galleries.
Captain America and the Human Torch both had large rogues galleries in the golden age. Except for the Red Skull and Baron Zemo, nearly none of these villains were reoccurring. All were one-timers
The Sub-Mariner's rogues gallery was actually fairly small by comparison. The Earth-2 Superman had more enemies. Except for U-Man (who, as an atlantean, will be on Earth-2 now anyway) none of Namor's foes were recoccuring.
Most of these foes were non-costumes and/or non-superpowered villains with fancy codenames, with the majority being Axis agents. This is in sharp contrast to the more colorful and gimmicky supervillains on Earth-2, who also were usually re-occurring
I assume that the All-Winner's Squad will probably have all the homefront adventures of the Invaders, as well as the Liberty Legion during the war, and after the war will fight most of the foes that would have fought the original All-Winner's Squad. The European adventures will probably be handled by Union Jack and the new Freedom's Five on behalf of Allied Command in London. Meanwhile, the adventures of the JSA on Earth-2 will still all happen, though there will be some extra adventures like the battle against Adam-2 in Boston.
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