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Post by redsycorax on Mar 8, 2023 3:50:40 GMT
Gary Concord is a potentially interesting DC Golden Age character (1939-40) who might be more constructively utilised. I gather that he may be appearing/has appeared in 5E's Legion of Justice Earth-Two future timeline, but the guy has been unjustly neglected for far too long. Surely it would be possible to revive the character, with an adjusted origin and situate him in a coherent Earth-Two future timeline?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Man |
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Post by dans on Mar 8, 2023 13:00:44 GMT
I'm not sure about his existence in E2 future - he was not part of the original Legion of Justice story, in which Vandal Savage ruled the Western Hemisphere (behind the scenes as General Urbane, rather than as the primary target, who would have been an elected puppet leader...
He could certainly be part of the new LoJ future. DOc was working on a story about a new member joining the LoJ at one time; I don't remember her back story...
It would be interesting to see how a long established hero on Earth reacted to the appearance of a team of super powered teenagers, particularly ones who had been brought up under a dictatorship. Sure, they rebelled against Urbane, but who knows what stuff they might accept as 'normal' government control over private lives? The generally found life pretty good, so much of the bad stuff that comes from Urbane's government might seem like accepted everyday life to them. And we know NOTHING about the future in which they appeared...
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Post by dave on Mar 8, 2023 16:21:13 GMT
Ultra Man cannot be part of Earth 2's future as his timeline veered from there in 1950 when his father trapped in his underground laboratory when WWII broke out. Immersed in a chemical bath he became super-humanly tall, strong and intelligent as spent years in suspended animation. Cary Concord Sr a woke from suspended animation in 2174 and brought peace to the world.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Mar 8, 2023 16:49:40 GMT
He appeared briefly in a Miss Terrific story Return of Madame Mayhem but it would be nice to see him on his own!
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Post by redsycorax on Mar 9, 2023 1:30:24 GMT
Could Gary have come from an alternate Earth-Two timeline where Hitler waited to launch World War II until he had wunderwaffe superweapons or nuclear, bacteriological or chemical weapons (which makes it sound more like Earth-X instead, doesn't it?) Or perhaps Gary is from Earth-X or Earth-Q instead of Earth-Two?
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Post by DocQuantum on Mar 9, 2023 2:18:56 GMT
The Gary Concord from the Legion of Justice story I wrote in was an Earth-2 counterpart of the one from the strip, not the original. Just as the Tommy Tomorrow that I wrote in a Power Girl story is an Earth-2 counterpart of the one from the more futuristic version of the '80s and '90s seen in the comics.
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Post by redsycorax on Mar 11, 2023 0:16:43 GMT
Okay, that does sound fair enough. I take it that this particular Gary Concord went into suspended animation in 1939/40, rather than 1950, if we're talking about Ultraman I? Or is it Ultraman II, Gary Concord Jr? A small tweak to make if it is Ultraman !, to be sure. I mean, in terms of their appearance's chronological provenance, apart from the original inception date of Ultra-Man I's suspended animation, Ultra-Men I and II were Golden Age characters after all and should be situated in Earth-Two's future.
Just one question to Libby- I notice that you killed off one of the Ultra-Men in your "Crisis Unfolding" 1987 JSA story. So if that's Ultra-Man I, is it Ultra-Man II in Doc's Legion of Justice story? ...Okay, having looked through the threads in question, I see that there's a third gen (?) Ultraboy in the Legion of Justice who must therefore be Gary Concord III (?), which suggests that it was Ultra-Man I or II who died in Libby's Crisis Unfolding story. Which U-Man was it, then?
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Post by dave on Mar 11, 2023 3:18:19 GMT
It was Gary Concord Sr who went into suspended animation in 1950 after his laboratory was bomb in the on set of WWII. Ultra Man was an anti-war strip.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Mar 11, 2023 15:46:47 GMT
The father was the one killed but I've thought that since he is a future character his death may have only happened in one possible alt. future and in some other possible futures he never was killed. SO, I could see him available for use.
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Post by dans on Mar 11, 2023 20:55:58 GMT
very interesting that Gary was a very anti-war character, at a time when that was not really popular. I guess that is why it was set in the future
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Post by redsycorax on Mar 12, 2023 1:32:54 GMT
I suppose the response to your point, dan, is 'that depends.' Before the United States entered WW2 in 1941, there was a fair swathe on anti-war opinion within your country, for a variety of reasons. Midwestern conservatives tended to be isolationists, preferring that the United States not get dragged into a 'European war" precipitated by the actions of FDR and those pesky East and West Coast liberals. There was some legitimate revulsion at the carnage that WW1 had caused within France and Belgium, on both the Allied and Central Powers sides. Some pro-German agitators and homegrown fascists opposed the Roosevelt administration's animosity against Nazi Germany and to a smaller extent, Italian fascism. The far left was divided- some of it slavishly followed Stalin and the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact, some backed anti-Nazi communist and socialist dissidents in Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia. I think the question is, which one of those strands of anti-war opinion motivated Ultra-Man's authors?
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Post by dans on Mar 12, 2023 22:13:29 GMT
there were a lot of people who were not in favor of World War 2 in the US - not in favor of ANY war, not in favor of a war 'right now', not in favor of a war with Germany, or Italy, or Japan. But anti-war heroes didn't seem to be a big seller at the time.
In Gary's original time line, he was operating in the future (in 1950). I can't find any mention of him on the Earth 2 timeline other than 'in an alternate possible Earth'.
It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to place him in the canon Earth 2 time line. He is experimenting in the early 40s and some Axis saboteurs set off a bomb near his laboratory and he is driven into suspended animation, to awaken at any time in the future you want to use him... the results of the explosion were simply not recorded until now, and Gary disappearing from Earth 2 had no effect on Earth 2 history until he awakens. He could easily have awakened in the future in the Legion of Justice timeline...
At least, that's how I see it.
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Post by redsycorax on Mar 12, 2023 22:27:40 GMT
Yes, exactly, dan. It wouldn't take too much to switch 1950 to 1940 (for arguments sake) so that Gary I could awaken in the 22nd Century on Earth-Two and thus be canonically included within the LOJ timeline.
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