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Post by dans on Mar 19, 2023 20:55:07 GMT
In Batman #19, November 1943, Batman and Robin visit an undersea domed city called Atlantis somewhere near the Bermuda Triangle. The residents claimed it was the original Atlantis. The spoke Shakespearean English because sometime in the 1500s they accidentally captured an English 'philosopher' who taught them the language. During WW2, a Nazi submarine found the entrance and the Nazis convinced the Atlanteans that they were the good guys - until Batman and Robin convinced them otherwise. The city was populated by normal humans, with advanced technology (although we didn't see that technology) and ruled by the Emperor Taro and Empress Lanya. Taro is a twin for Dick Grayson, and the royal pair appears to be about the same age as Robin. Robin fell in love with the Empress during the adventure, and she seemed to be sweet on him, but the heroic pair promised never to reveal any of the secrets of Atlantis.
Oops, wait, there was evidence of advanced technology. The Atlanteans not only had a dome to keep out the water, but an artificial sun, and a device that could open through the water above a shaft free of water, which they used twice a month to replenish their air supply. And they were able to trap 3 German submarines in a giant net for the Navy to find.
It might be interesting to find out more about that city - and how it relates to whatever other Atlantis exists on Earth 2... and, see how Taro and Lanya turned out...
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Post by redsycorax on Mar 19, 2023 22:36:48 GMT
It seems that Earth-Two's Aquaman was the son of a scientist, who developed the ability to breathe underwater. Either that, or his mother was Atlantean. This version of Aquaman isn't a full Atlantean and has little to do with the cities of Tritonis, Posiedonis and Queen Clea's Venturia. In any case, Earth-Two's Atlantis partially protrudes above the ocean and Clea herself shows no propensity for seadwelling. It's possible that this additional city is one of the tributaries of Earth-Two's Atlantis proper, or a fourth such city, perhaps isolated from the other three somehow and believing itself to be the sole surviving posterity of the vanished ancient civilisation: dc.fandom.com/wiki/Atlantisdc.fandom.com/wiki/Aquaman_(Earth-Two)dc.fandom.com/wiki/Queen_Clea_(Earth-Two)Clea rules Venturia, but there's also another Atlantean city, Aurania, which is a constitutional monarchy/republic: dc.fandom.com/wiki/AuraniaHere's the Batman and Robin Earth-Two encounter: dc.fandom.com/wiki/Batman_Vol_1_19And apparently, Alan Scott also encountered his own Atlanteans in All Star 53 (June 1950). In his case, it was within the context of the Justice Society and they were tackling an apparently transtemporal gun, which involved Green Lantern travelling back to 9638 BC and encountering the submersion of Earth-Two's Atlantis under its last surface monarch, Queen Atlantea: dc.fandom.com/wiki/All-Star_Comics_Vol_1_53. Ironically enough, instead of Aquaman, it seems to be the Earth-Two Wonder Woman who had most to do with that iteration of Atlantis.
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Post by dans on Mar 19, 2023 22:55:28 GMT
Yeah, I was thinking that maybe this city was isolated from the rest of Atlantis. They had scientists who predicted doom and gloom in the future; perhaps they and the people who believed in them were treated like Jor-L and everyone laughed at them so they went off on their own and saved themselves...
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Post by redsycorax on Mar 20, 2023 0:16:00 GMT
Given that Clea repeatedly attacked neighbouring Aurania in the Earth-Two Wonder Woman stories, I wouldn't blame this Atlantean city from not wanting to have anything to do with Earth-Two's Atlantis. She seems like a ruthless absolute monarch type and if her Venturia is the dominant power on Earth-Two Atlantis, no wonder the Atlantean city in Batman broke off diplomatic and other relations with the rest of the lost continent.
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Post by dave on Mar 20, 2023 0:17:05 GMT
The Earth II Aquaman is Arthur Curry, the son of a famed underwater explorer/archaeologist Thomas Cury. His father discovers the ruins of an Atlantean city and was able to decipher their writing and a formula that gave his son his powers. Unlike Aquaman of Earth I, the has no ill effects after staying out of the water and on one occasion he was land bound for thirty continuously. The pressure of the deepest part of the ocean will injure him and cause Aquaman to lose consciousness. He develops ability to communicate with marine fauna only in the beginning of 1947 but can control them at the end of that year. By 1953 Aquaman is acting as a veterinarian to fish and by 1954 he has established undersea bases throughout the world's oceans. There are several cities on Earth II that claim to be Atlantis. They each managed to carve out a life under the sea and took on the mantle, probably unaware of any other survivong cities. 1. Action Comics #18 Zatara finds a version that is both under the sea and under the ocean. 2. Superman Vol 1 #4 Superman battles Luthor in a raised abandoned Atlantean City 3. Adventure Comics Vol 1 #52 Cotton Carver meets decedents of Atlantis who live under ground 4. Adventure Comics Vol 1 #54 Cotton Caver goes to Ugar and city founded by decedents of More Fun Comics Vol 1 #58 A Book of Ancient Atlantean Magic is destroyed by Dr Fate 5. Action Comics Vol 1 # 37 May 1941 – Action Comics Vol 1 #38 June 1941 The 3 Aces discover a part Atlantis under the Azores. 6. Action Comics Vol 1 # 43 December 1941 The 3 Aces discover a part of the Atlantean civilization in the jungles of Brazil 7. An unnamed underwater city inhabited by mer-people. Superman Vol 1 #14 January 1942 8. A remnant of Atlantis is ruled by the evil Brain II and fights Zatara Action Comics Vol 1 #47 April 1942 9. Aquaman discovers a small domed underwater town that was once a part of Atlantis. More Fun Comics Vol 1 #87 January 1943. 10. Black Pirate discovers a remnant in the 1660's in the Caribbean Sensation Comics Vol 1 #20 August 1943 11. Batman Vol 1 #19 October 1943 Bat -Man finds a remnant city of Atlantis in league with the Germany for until the awful truth about the evil of their regime. It is ruled by a a teenage broter and sister. The boy looks like Dick Grayson. 12. Wonder Woman Vol 1 #8 March 1944 Wonder Woman first fights Queen Clea of the city Venturia 13. Blue Beetle defeats an invasion from the Atlantean city of Aquatis (Blue Beetle Vol 1 # 33 August 1944 14. Green Lantern discovers remnants of an Atlantean Civilization hidden in the moon. Green Lantern Vol 1 #16 June 1945 15. Paints from Atlantis the animate in the moonlight. (All-Star Comics Vol 1 #28 April 1946) 16. Hawkman I discovers a island with two primitive warring remnant peoples of Atlantis. He gets them to live together in harmony. (Flash Comics Vol 1#78 December 1946) 17. Superman visits the empty building of a sunken city of Atlantis (World's Finest Vol 1 #29 July 1947) 18. The Boy Commandos help an Atlantean city occupied air breathing citizens in their war with revolutionaries led by the Flame (Boy Commandos VO l1 #23 September 1947) 19. Boy Commandos find another one of Atlantis's undersea cities called Centropolis. inhabited by air breathers Boy Commandos Vol 1 #29 September 1948 20. Green Lantern I travels back in time to Atlantis when the JSA use the late Professor Swanley Time Chute to solve his murder (All-Star Comics Vol 1 #73 June 1950). 21. Superman I discovers an undersea surviving city of Atlantis where they breath air and are ruled by Queen Parlea. Superman Vol 1 #67 November 1950. 22. Johnny Peril runs across a man who stumbled on to an Atlantean city called Aquaterra. Its inhabitants can breathe water or a synthetic oxygen like substance they use in their city. All-Star Comics Vol 1 #56 December 1950. 23. Tom Sparks finds a scientifically advanced Atlantean City who are inhabitants breath air and have a prolonged life span up to 300 years. World's Finest Comics Vol 1 #51 April 1951 24. Wonder Woman find a group of Atlanteans living in an underground city in the Arctic. Wonder Woman Vol 1 #47 may 1951 25. Wonder Woman gets an unnamed scientifically advanced Atlantean city inhabited by air breathers not to declare war on the rest of the world. Wonder Woman Vol 11 #57 January 1953. 26. Superman II helps an explorer find some underwater ruins of Ancient Atlantis. Superman Vol 1 #96 March 1955 27. Aquaman photograph seven wonder under the sea including ruins of Ancient Atlantis and the Continent of Mu Adventure Comics Vol 1 #224 May 1956 28. Wonder Woman battles Atlantean Mermen. Wonder Woman Vol 1 #93 October 1957.
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Post by redsycorax on Mar 20, 2023 0:26:36 GMT
It's possible that given that there was a profound apocalyptic cataclysm that submerged Atlantis in the first place, all of these might be equally valid. If Atlantis was an advanced civilisation, it might have had colonial and military outposts elsewhere and communication might have been disrupted between its cities and any resultant colonies for thousands of years. Perhaps they only have partial adaptation to local environmental conditions such as specific dietary needs if they're seadwellers, or the atmospheric composition of their cities, towns or outposts may be dissimilar to that on the surface. I'm not sure how the Boy Commandos and Blue Beetle fit into that, given that Blue Beetle would be encountering the Atlantis of Earth-Four.
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Post by dave on Mar 20, 2023 1:01:43 GMT
Blue Beetle was listed as a mistake from when I cut and pasted my Atlantis appearances that include his adventures as well as those from Quality and Fawcett. Here' the complete list 1935 - 1963:
1. Action Comics #18 Zatara finds a version that is both under the sea and under the ocean. 2. Superman Vol 1 #4 Superman battles Luthor in a raised abandoned Atlantean City 3. Adventure Comics Vol 1 #52 Cotton Carver meets decedents of Atlantis who live under ground 4. Adventure Comics Vol 1 #54 Cotton Caver goes to Ugar and city founded by decedents of More Fun Comics Vol 1 #58 A Book of Ancient Atlantean Magic is destroyed by Dr Fate 5. Action Comics Vol 1 # 37 May 1941 – Action Comics Vol 1 #38 June 1941 The 3 Aces discover a part Atlantis under the Azores. 6. Action Comics Vol 1 # 43 December 1941 The 3 Aces discover a part of the Atlantean civilization in the jungles of Brazil 7. An unnamed underwater city inhabited by mer-people. Superman Vol 1 #14 January 1942 8. A remnant of Atlantis is ruled by the evil Brain II and fights Zatara Action Comics Vol 1 #47 April 1942 9. Aquaman discovers a small domed underwater town that was once a part of Atlantis. More Fun Comics Vol 1 #87 January 1943. 10. Black Pirate discovers a remnant in the 1660's in the Caribbean Sensation Comics Vol 1 #20 August 1943 11. The Dummy uses a time to go to Atlantis (Leading Comics Vol 1 #8 September 1943) 12. Batman Vol 1 #19 October 1943 Bat -Man finds a remnant city of Atlantis in league with the Germany for until the awful truth about the evil of their regime. It is ruled by a a teenage broter and sister. The boy looks like Dick Grayson. 13. Wonder Woman Vol 1 #8 March 1944 Wonder Woman first fights Queen Clea of the city Venturia 14. Blue Beetle defeats an invasion from the Atlantean city of Aquatis (Blue Beetle Vol 1 # 33 August 1944 15. Green Lantern discovers remnants of an Atlantean Civilization hidden in the moon. Green Lantern Vol 1 #16 June 1945 16. Paints from Atlantis the animate in the moonlight. (All-Star Comics Vol 1 #28 April 1946) 17. Mary Marvel finds a city under the sea .Mary Marvel Vol 1 #7 November 1946 18. Hawkman I discovers a island with two primitive warring remnant peoples of Atlantis. He gets them to live together in harmony. (Flash Comics Vol 1#78 December 1946) 19. Blackhawk finds an underwater city scientifically advanced in someways but still is using ancient weapons. The populous is very pale and breath oxygen. Modern Comics Vol 1 #57January 1947. 20. Mary Marvel travels to the past right when Atlantis sinks, Captain Marvel goes to the under water ruins in 1947 and Captain Marvel Jr travels to the site 10,000 years in the future. (The Marvel Family Vol 1 #10 April 1947) 21. Superman visits the empty building of a sunken city of Atlantis (World's Finest Vol 1 #29 July 1947) 22. The Boy Commandos help an Atlantean city occupied air breathing citizens in their war with revolutionaries led by the Flame (Boy Commandos VO l1 #23 September 1947) 23. Boy Commandos find another one of Atlantis's undersea cities called Centropolis. inhabited by air breathers Boy Commandos Vol 1 #29 September 1948 24. The Marvel Family go back in time 25000 years and find a n ancient civilization in the Pacific Ocean called Talantis Marvel Family vol 1 #39 September 1949 25. Mary Marvel finds a hidden island run by intelligent autonomous robots built by an ancient Atlantean civilization. Marvel Family Vol 1 #46 April 1950. 26. Green Lantern I travels back in time to Atlantis when the JSA use the late Professor Swanley Time Chute to solve his murder (All-Star Comics Vol 1 #73 June 1950). 27. Superman I discovers an undersea surviving city of Atlantis where they breath air and are ruled by Queen Parlea. Superman Vol 1 #67 November 1950. 28. Johnny Peril runs across a man who stumbled on to an Atlantean city called Aquaterra. Its inhabitants can breathe water or a synthetic oxygen like substance they use in their city. All-Star Comics Vol 1 #56 December 1950. 29. Tom Sparks finds a scientifically advanced Atlantean City who are inhabitants breath air and have a prolonged life span up to 300 years. World's Finest Comics Vol 1 #51 April 1951 30. Wonder Woman find a group of Atlanteans living in an underground city in the Arctic. Wonder Woman Vol 1 #47 may 1951 31. Possible Atlantean City that moved to another dimension Captain Marvel Jr Vol 1 #106 February 1952. 32. A 10000 year old Atlantean tries to returns to the surface world and dies after battling Captain Comet (Strange Adventures Vol 1 #20 may 1952) 33. Wonder Woman gets an unnamed scientifically advanced Atlantean city inhabited by air breathers not to declare war on the rest of the world. Wonder Woman Vol 11 #57 January 1953. 34. Blackhawk battle a modern pirate named Massacar who found and abandoned Atlantean settlement just beneath the water. (Blackhawk Vol 1 #64 May 1953) 35. Captain Marvel discovers an abandoned Atlantean ciy now inhabited by shark like men. Captain Marvel Jr Vol 1 #119 June 1953. 36. Captain Marvel battles Dr Sivana as he meet space explorers who are descendants from the people of Atlantis. (Captain Marvel Adventures Vol 1 #146 July 1953) 37. Blackhawk deals with race of giants descended from Atlanteans living underground. Blackhawk Vol 1 #71 December 1953. 38. Superman II helps an explorer find some underwater ruins of Ancient Atlantis. Superman Vol 1 #96 March 1955 39. Aquaman photograph seven wonder under the sea including ruins of Ancient Atlantis and the Continent of Mu Adventure Comics Vol 1 #224 May 1956 40. Superman's powers temporally increase a thousand fold when he come in contact with a remnant of Ancient Atlantis as does a crook. Action Comics Vol 1 #230 July 1957. 41. Blackhawk battles Octo and find a domed Atlantean city populated by fish men. Blackhawk Vol 1 #116 September 1957. 42. Wonder Woman battles Atlantean Mermen. Wonder Woman Vol 1 #93 October 1957. 43. Superman has to deal with an ancient Atlantean artifact that causes him to sleepwalk as Clark Kent. Superman Vol 1 #117 November 1957 44. The Challengers of the Unknown battle the International Spy Karnak when he has several vials of potions from Atlantis (Showcase Vol 1 #12 January 1958. 45. Arthur (Aquaman II) Curry is the son of a naval veteran who lived a solitary life as a lighthouse keeper until he met Atlanna, an Atlantean exile who Tom rescued in a storm and soon married. Atlanna died when Arthur was a child and his father helped learn how to use his command of aquatic fauna and heighten his skills. Arthur was homed schooled but had to take an exam every year. His father died before he became Aquaman. He stays away from Atlantis for many years. Adventure Comics Vol 1 #260 May 1959. 46. Lori Lemaris is Superboy/Superman II's first true love of whom he met in his senior year of college. She is a telepathic mermaid from Atlantis. She returns to the she after turning down his proposal and helping save a town from a flood. Superman Vol 1 #129 May 1959 47. The Atomic Knights find Atlantis catapulted though time by an unknown means before in sinks into the ocean. Strange Adventures Vol 1 #129 June 1961 48. Atom II discovers a sub atomic world made up of inhabitants of Atlantis which they call Utolia who have become immortal. Atom Vol 1 #5 February 1963. 49. Superman has to battles three rebellious robots he created even as he finds a planet once explored by ancient Atlanteans. Action Comics Vol 1 #299 April 1963 50. Lois travels back to Ancient Atlantis due to a freak electrical accident in present day Atlantis. Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane Vol 1 #42 July 1963.
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Post by dans on Mar 20, 2023 10:07:23 GMT
A lot of Atlantis stories to reconcile, if one wanted to place them all in a collection and tie them together! I like the one about an Atlantean colony on the moon - in my stories about Red Rocket and Tom Atomic, set on Earth 2 in the 60s, Tomas Thomas (Tom Atomic) is creating a role playing game called Super You. Super You is set against the background of the land civilizations of the game's fictional Earth in a war with Atlantis, and a long-lost, recently rediscovered Atlantean colony on the moon is allied with the undersea Atlantean forces - and the Jailbirds and Legbreakers Association of super villains is foe to both sides. (And in the game history, Adamant the Abhorrent Android has recently destroyed the moon...)
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Post by DocQuantum on Mar 21, 2023 0:36:27 GMT
NICE WORK, DAVE! This is an invaluable resource!
Honestly, I think the best tactic for reconciling all these stories is that each "Atlantis" is just one of several cities from a prehistoric Atlantis continent -- the same approach for the twin cities of Poseidonis and Tritonis on Earth-1. After the great disaster most of the cities lost contact with each other, even though a surprising number of them managed to survive. Some of these cities might be the same city, but that would take some close comparisons of the stories.
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Post by dans on Mar 21, 2023 1:17:29 GMT
NICE WORK, DAVE! This is an invaluable resource! Honestly, I think the best tactic for reconciling all these stories is that each "Atlantis" is just one of several cities from a prehistoric Atlantis continent -- the same approach for the twin cities of Poseidonis and Tritonis on Earth-1. After the great disaster most of the cities lost contact with each other, even though a surprising number of them managed to survive. Some of these cities might be the same city, but that would take some close comparisons of the stories. Agree with both of these. Dave's lists are awesome, and really, there would be no reasonable way to meld all those cities into one. Some of them might be colonies, and others maybe even were penal colonies, and others may have been rivals or even enemies, and after the disaster, each surviving city decided that this it was THE Atlantis. And they never bothered to check and see if any other fragments had survived...
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Post by dave on Mar 21, 2023 1:47:54 GMT
We just need to keep each Atlantis on their respective Earths
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Mar 21, 2023 14:37:06 GMT
See War of the Water Worlds from the E-2 time past 1950's era for more on E-2's various Atlantis societies.
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Post by dave on Mar 21, 2023 17:38:28 GMT
That war could be how the Earth 2 Aquaman became the King of Atlantis
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Mar 21, 2023 20:00:01 GMT
He does in last chapter.
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Post by redsycorax on Mar 21, 2023 23:41:34 GMT
I think the question then might be, why was the Atlantean submersion apocalypse on Earth-Two so much more devastating than it seems to have been on Earth-One? Earth-One's Atlantis seems to have been far more centralised and based around Posiedonis and Tritonis than Earth-Twos is. On Earth-One, the latter two cities seem to have survived virtually intact, which suggests gradual submergence occurred in their context and that they had time to prepare. When it comes to Earth-Two, it may have been far more cataclysmic and sudden. As to why isolation and separation persisted for so much longer when it came to Earth-Two's Atlantis, one effect of an apocalyptic event might have been major disruption of medical services, which may have meant that specific disease phenomena underwent an upsurge and access to pharmaceutical prevention wasn't forthcoming in some cases, therefore the risk of infection from localised pandemics discouraged further contact between isolated communities. As well as that, Earth-Two's Atlantis may have been less ethnically homogenous than that on Earth-One, meaning that such dissension might have also worsened over time. Map pandemic disease outbreaks onto that and you have a fairly potent incentive for separatism and differentiation. It'd be comparable to what happened to Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire.
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