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Post by jonclark on May 26, 2023 6:13:04 GMT
Saw the other thread about if Crisis had never happened and wondered what if instead the Crisis had happened- but had been less scattered. Instead DC and it's creators had a plan and had all been on the same coordinated page from the start.
Could be the Wolfman plan where everything started with new issue #1s. Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman all reset to day one. Roy Thomas' Earth 2 stuff all erased for him to either recreate or totally redesign as a history for a merged Earth. The Titans back to being teen sidekicks or possibly being tossed entirely. EX. if Marv Wolfman went with his cybernetic STAR employee Flash, there may not have ever been a Barry Allen or a Wally West. And maybe the founding Titans or Justice Leaguers might have included Captain Atom, Captain Marvel, or a modern day Ted Grant who'd never been a Golden Age hero.
Another option would be having Crisis still be part of the backstory but with it slowly relegated out. Picking up Post-Crisis #12 we'd pick up on the merged Earth. Roy Thomas would continue All-Star Squadron with no changes (the only title clearly set outside the new history). For everyone else it would simply be integrating much if not all of the past, but with no multiple Earths or doppelgangers going forward. One Superman (possibly Kal-L surviving Crisis with no supporting cast stepping into the shoes of a deceased Kal-El). One Batman (Silver-Age but with Helena Wayne as a refugee). One Diana (though possibly reset by the end of Crisis so she is a "new" character but her Silver Age JLA adventures and Donna Troy connection happened). Everyone else keeps their histories except now it all happened on one Earth. Captain Atom, Captain Marvel, even most of the JSA were always co-existing but except for untold tales we just never had them appear in rach other's stories (same way Superman rarely popped up in Hal's book or either Blue Beetle ever had a major part in a solo Cap Atom story.
Any preferences or ideas on how Crisis might have happened without the messier aspects (Power Girl as an Atlantean? Hawkworld? The Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman JLA confusion ...)?
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Post by reichsmark on May 26, 2023 16:19:56 GMT
I like the idea of the Linearverse. So what if one of the results of Crisis is that the DC universe resulted in extremely slow aging for the inhabitants of the new post crisis timeline. This might also cut down on the use of more obscure characters as cannon fodder.
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Post by johnreiter902 on May 27, 2023 1:16:54 GMT
I like the idea of the Linearverse. So what if one of the results of Crisis is that the DC universe resulted in extremely slow aging for the inhabitants of the new post crisis timeline. This might also cut down on the use of more obscure characters as cannon fodder. I've actually dedicated a lot of thought to a DC Linearverse, ever since I read Spider-Man: Life Story. I may eventually post in in the ELlseworlds section.
My idea was for a world where all character debut when they were originally written, age in real time, and the events in the comics take place on schedule EXCEPT for events tied to the characters age. For example, Dick would go off to college in 1951, but have to leave in 1954 because of missing to many classes (just like on Earth-1, but aligned with the life of the Earth-2 Dick Grayson) He would operate as Robin until 1958, and then as Nightwing until 1970 when Batman retires and Dick becomes the new Batman.
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Post by redsycorax on May 27, 2023 1:44:44 GMT
Hmmm. It'd be interesting to have a Sole Earth based on Earth-Two instead of an updated Earth-One. So... Superman was never Superboy, married Lois in the fifties, and Batman married Selina while Dick Grayson stayed on as Robin, retaining his original uniform and Helena Wayne was born. Power Girl arrives on Earth belatedly, the Justice Society retires in the fifties but reforms in the sixties and becomes open to legacy heroes. The Justice Society ages in realtime- some of them die, some retire permanently and others have children. In a wrinkle on the original Earth-Two, though, Clark Kent still joins the Legion of Super Heroes as a boy and still encounters Mon-El as a teenager. Later, Power Girl joins the LSH instead of Supergirl. Effectively, the Doom Patrol, Challengers, the New Gods and Apokolips, Justice League and Teen Titans have all been erased from existence, or may continue to exist in a pocket universe. It's what Kal-L wanted to see happen instead of Sole Earth being based predominantly on Earth-One as it was.
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Post by jonclark on May 28, 2023 8:15:57 GMT
Hmmm. It'd be interesting to have a Sole Earth based on Earth-Two instead of an updated Earth-One. So... Superman was never Superboy, married Lois in the fifties, and Batman married Selina while Dick Grayson stayed on as Robin, retaining his original uniform and Helena Wayne was born. Power Girl arrives on Earth belatedly, the Justice Society retires in the fifties but reforms in the sixties and becomes open to legacy heroes. The Justice Society ages in realtime- some of them die, some retire permanently and others have children. In a wrinkle on the original Earth-Two, though, Clark Kent still joins the Legion of Super Heroes as a boy and still encounters Mon-El as a teenager. Later, Power Girl joins the LSH instead of Supergirl. Effectively, the Doom Patrol, Challengers, the New Gods and Apokolips, Justice League and Teen Titans have all been erased from existence, or may continue to exist in a pocket universe. It's what Kal-L wanted to see happen instead of Sole Earth being based predominantly on Earth-One as it was. There was a group attached to the original 5 Earths based off that "What if the Merged Earth had been based on Earth-Two instead of Earth-One" and I believe it came and went before Infinite Crisis was on anyone's radar. Not sure DC would let Bruce age out of being Batman under any circumstance (much as some of us might love the idea of Batman adapting thr Phantom idea of passing the identity down while keepong the myth that there was only ever one Batman). They could let time pass for Superman and Wonder Woman but I think the problem there would be keeping a supporting cast (would readers accept Lois Lane, Steve Trevor ... as being born over a century ago but still being "young") or replacing them (Lpis in the 40's transitioning to Lana by the 70's and to Car Grant by the 2000's with some new potential love interest around now, Steve Trevor to Steve Howard to Trevor Barnes to Tom Tresser. and similar for Jimmy Olsen, Perry White, Etta Candy, Luthor,...) |
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Post by redsycorax on May 28, 2023 23:04:10 GMT
It might end up something like Generations, although with a few tweaks. Lana is still around in Smallville, and suspects something is up with Clark, even without Superboy. Pete Ross still knows his friend's secret but keeps it. Bruce would have to age out of being Batman and eventually hand over to Dick and his children. Lois and Steve would eventually have to die, as would Bruce and Selina, if they were ageing in realtime. Eventually, although probably several decades later, as with the Batman Beyond DCAU series, Superman would probably also die, to be succeeded by Power Woman and any children Clark and Lois might have had in the interim period. In the case of Diana and Steve, there's Lyta Trevor/Fury, of course. And given Diana is from a mythological homeland, she'd probably be effectively immortal. DC might not like the idea of Bruce ageing out of being Batman, but there's no other way out of it. In any case, Earth-Two isn't Earth-One. And on the original Earth-Two, Batman died in the line of duty.
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Post by redsycorax on May 28, 2023 23:18:51 GMT
As long as we're talking about Earth-Two, it'd be interesting to speculate what things would have been like if the Anti-Monitor had won and perhaps the sole remaining Earth was more akin to Earth-Three instead. It might contain elements of the vanquished positive matter Earths, so the effect might be something like the more recent post-Crisis and Infinite Crisis iterations of Earth-Three- Ultraman would have an antagonistic relationship with Ultragirl, his cousin, Owlman and Talon might be accompanied by Owlgirl in Gotham City, there might be a Teen Tyrants consisting of Talon, Super-Girl, Kid Quick and Archer Girl, with an awkward relationship to their mentors, an heroic Jester/Jokester and Three-Face, with their daughter Harlequin fighting Owlman and Talon in Gotham, an heroic Luthor, his wife Lois and their son Alexander in Metropolis, and other interesting outcomes. Say...Droitro against Power Ring, Light Giver against Sky Tyrant, White Manta against Sea King/Barracuda, Anachrona against Atomica, and so on. Actually, it'd probably look a lot like 5E's Earth-Three!
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