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Post by lee on Nov 20, 2023 14:03:02 GMT
Of course, it IS a comic book, set in a fictional universe. It is fantastic that you guys and others try to make it fit a realistic time line, but continuity has not always been a leading criteria for comics, it was more like 'how can we get them excited enough in this issue to spend their nickel on westerns next month?!?!' I think if you are referencing actual printed stories which have a date in them in your time line, and the in-story date is not realistic, insert them into the time line where they belong and then add a disclaimer to your time line for anyone who is reading stories in the order your time line presents. "Some of the original stories referenced in this time line may refer to real events and include dating in the stories that is inconsistent with the referenced events. Stories such as this are inserted in the time line at the most appropriate dates regardless of incorrect internal dating.* *Note that this timeline is for entertainment purposes and does not claim to be 100% accurate in placing all of these fictional stores. Please feel free to read the referenced stories in whatever order you chose!" My programming does not allow me to sacrifice historical accuracy for entertainment purposes. Please choose another option. Actually, I can see that for the characters in the 40s, but for DC's western resurgence in the late 60s and early 70s, when they were going with a more realistic storytelling, it seems like things would have been a bit more planned out. |
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Post by lee on Nov 20, 2023 14:40:29 GMT
I think, since Jonah Hex's birthday is one of the only ones actually given, and agreed upon, I will use him as the basis for all of the others. My guess would be that he is one of the older characters. Matt Savage, Trailboss, might have a year or two on him. Scalphunter is right around the same age, and the Kiowa uprisings would lend credence to that. What about Bat Lash? I picture him as being a good bit younger than the others, possibly by as much as 10 years. I've seen timelines that give his birth anywhere from the 1820s to the 1860s. Since the others I've mentioned were born in the 1840s, would any care if I put Bat's birth in the mid 1850s?
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Post by DocQuantum on Nov 20, 2023 17:23:49 GMT
I think he must be older than that since his appearances in Scalphunter’s series make him active in the 1860s before President Lincoln was killed.
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Post by dans on Nov 20, 2023 17:33:01 GMT
Hey, you write about people with super powers, and alien and magical beings. Where is the historical accuracy in those characters? Anyway, what I am suggesting is that you fit the stories into a historically accurate timeline that is true to your programming, and blame the inaccuracies in any stories on the poor programming of the authors of the stories - who obviously were programmed by an inferior coder!
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Post by dave on Nov 20, 2023 19:12:25 GMT
Actually published comics stories often conflict as the given writer used whatever year he wanted without referencing previous tales; so again I say the historical characters had to have been present on multiple earths.
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Post by dans on Nov 21, 2023 12:07:58 GMT
Well, this is an example of why comic books found one-off stories about events in the past so attractive. The main elements were: cheesecake to attract boys from 6 to 14; don't kill the hero (but almost anyone else is OK); exciting adventures that can ignore reality. Easy Peasy!
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Nov 21, 2023 18:49:08 GMT
I could see Bat Lash as being younger than Hex but I'm not sure how much younger. Maybe, he just took better care of himself.
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Post by lee on Nov 22, 2023 4:43:36 GMT
Jonah's birthday is given as November 1st, 1838, so if I give Bat's birth year as 1842, that starts his career around the age of 18. That would put him about 20 when he and Scalphunter saved Lincoln.
And speaking of Lincoln, I believe he would have lived if it weren't for all the time traveling. Same thing goes for the Chicago Fire. If red kryptonite hadn't have turned Krypto into the cow that kicked over the lantern, the others might have been able to prevent it.
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Post by jonclark on Nov 22, 2023 7:55:25 GMT
Jonah's birthday is given as November 1st, 1838, so if I give Bat's birth year as 1842, that starts his career around the age of 18. That would put him about 20 when he and Scalphunter saved Lincoln. And speaking of Lincoln, I believe he would have lived if it weren't for all the time traveling. Same thing goes for the Chicago Fire. If red kryptonite hadn't have turned Krypto into the cow that kicked over the lantern, the others might have been able to prevent it. I don't know about that Lincoln and Chicago Fire logic. I always looked at it as the same events that happened in our timeline were the starting point and whatever it was that kept Superman/boy (and others) from changing history just incorporated time travelers into that. Sort of like having an event as a set point and any time traveler either had no impact or "reality" wove that impact so that their presence only reinforced what was always going to happen. Original timeline: Booth shoots Lincoln and causes fatal damage Altered timeline: Superman tries to block the bullet but only causes it to ricochet in a direction that causes that same damage, 2nd altered timeline: Batman in 1865 tries to capture Booth before the shot- but Bruce's presence causes a distraction. The people dealing with Bruce are now doubly unable to guard Lincoln making Booth's job easier. 3rd altered timeline: Hal Jordan arrives early and falls asleep missing the entire assassination. 4th ... Barry Allen finds his speed suddenly reduced to pre-Flash levels only for it to return a day after the assassination IOW- Murphy's Law is 100% accurate for changing the past, but the basic events always happen no matter who was or wasn't travelling back to the event. Booth always kills Lincoln. Chicago always burns. So does Atlanta. Napoleon can't escape his Waterloo. ad infinitum |
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Post by dans on Nov 22, 2023 9:07:32 GMT
And speaking of Lincoln, I believe he would have lived if it weren't for all the time traveling. Same thing goes for the Chicago Fire. If red kryptonite hadn't have turned Krypto into the cow that kicked over the lantern, the others might have been able to prevent it. That is an interesting theory. But we don't have anything to judge it by except our own time line, which we assume is unaltered by time travelers... |
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Nov 22, 2023 19:12:46 GMT
This is off topic but I'd like to see Batman team with Bat Lash in a time travel story set in the Wild West. I always liked his Scalphunter teaming.
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Post by lee on Nov 22, 2023 19:56:42 GMT
I'd love to read this. Have you seen the timeline I made of the past of Earth-1? It could give you some useful information.I'll attach it here View AttachmentIn the timeline, it says Jonah Hex returns to 1876 with Metamorpho's help, but there is no source material listed. Do you remember where this information came from? |
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Post by johnreiter902 on Nov 23, 2023 0:09:33 GMT
I'd love to read this. Have you seen the timeline I made of the past of Earth-1? It could give you some useful information.I'll attach it here View AttachmentIn the timeline, it says Jonah Hex returns to 1876 with Metamorpho's help, but there is no source material listed. Do you remember where this information came from? Sorry, that was from Justice League Europe Annual #2. It is post-crisis information, but I can't find anything else to explain how he got home. |
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Post by lee on Nov 23, 2023 5:55:42 GMT
Thanks, John.
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Post by dans on Nov 23, 2023 12:04:17 GMT
sounds like there could be a story to fix a continuity glitch here!
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